Homosexuality immoral?

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[Drake Andrews]

First off, there is a very good reason (biologically) for homosexuality. Population control. If you stop looking at evolution on a singular level, but on the level of a species (or even a subset, like a group in a specific geographical region) having a percentage of the population not reproducing means you get the benefit of larger numbers in your group without the increased growth rate.

I don't think homosexuality is immoral. Then again, I am of the opinion that people are people, the bodies we happen to inhabit are just 'machines' that let us be who we are. Why should you discriminate based on petty things like gender, sexuality, body-type etc?

And for all those who say "It's not natural", of course, because we reject unnatural things, like cars, nuclear power, air conditioning, artificial hearts or breast implants.

I actually think religion holds a lot of progress back as far as the world goes.. I mean, the way it's interpreted by so many people it just causes harm to others. Some people can be open and accepting, but just as many use religion to hate. And I'm not saying it's a direct cause, because it's not. It's just that people are brought up to believe a certain thing, sometimes their parents teach it, but they say that it's because of their religion. I think it's sad we have to worry about silly things like this, we should all be better than that...

Religion is a powerful thing. Look at Jehovah's Witnesses for example, they would rather die than take a blood transfusion. Regrettably, we'll probably end up dragging religion to the stars with us, that is if we can put aside our differences and haul our selves off this rock before we kill each other.

[Rebekah Fairley]

I've never actually heard that theory before. Is it just random? Or how is it "decided"? If it's an evolutionary thing for population control, is there a factor that influences who is what? I'm not trying to poke holes, I'm just curious. xD

[Drake Andrews]

A percentage of the population of some groups mammals express homosexual tendencies when the population starts to near the maximum the area can reasonably sustain. It's been shown in captivity in mice, pigs, some breeds of cow (however not conclusively) and apes. However, apes are the oddball here. Apes will quite happily sit and masturbate when sexual partners are available, or form homosexual relations even in situations where an increase in population would be be beneficial.

Also, humans don't quite follow this trend either, however homosexuality has been linked to gender expression, at both ends of the spectrum (both hyper-masculine and hyper-feminine in males and females respectively, and both quasi-feminine and quasi-masculine in males and females respectively). The human brain is quite honestly a mess. If there is a god, I'm going to need to have a few words with him/her/it/them about the sloppy design of the human psyche.

And yes I've looked this stuff up before.

[Misika Kidoru]

I would be more inclined to believe that homosexuality is a purely natural occurrence, and is not influenced, nor can it be changed, despite what some people may say. Therefore I cannot believe it is immoral or wrong. Some will deny that this happens in animals as well, because it disproves their "theories" on multiple accounts, in regards to influence and choice (because animals would have no conscious choice as far as I am aware).

What simply confuses me is the reasoning behind the belief that homosexuality is immoral or wrong to begin with, apart from a Bible verse or botched belief that it can be wrong because it limits a species' ability to procreate. If I am not mistaken, we are facing the exact opposite dilemma in the world today. When people are starving and struggling to survive because of lack of resources, I do not believe we have to worry about a vast minority not being able to reproduce. In fact, they should be commended for being allowed (in some places) to adopt children that are otherwise ignored by couples to reproduce too often.

I am also confused about the sanctity of marriage argument that some people present. In many areas, the populations that believe in such things, and believe that a marriage should be between a man and a woman, suffer some of the highest divorce rates in the country. I am mainly referring to the south/southeastern portions of the United States for this statement. I am not religious myself, but I mean no disrespect when I say that the crazed interpretations of religions has led to generations of hypocrisy and hate.

[Alexc3]

The human brain is quite honestly a mess. If there is a god, I'm going to need to have a few words with him/her/it/them about the sloppy design of the human psyche.

Right on the mark.
You'd think if God had such a big problem with homosexuality he wouldn't have create humans with genetic predispositions toward it, right?

[Hannah Stardream]

Yeah well, you know some people say it can be "cured" and others say that God has some of these things on earth as a test for people to see if they'll do what's right. I was always confused why a god who supposedly loved people would do nothing about so much disease and suffering all over the world, or create ways of life that would make other people cause them trouble by the religion that god created...

There's just a lot of things I don't understand, but I just hope things start to change and more people start to realize this isn't right. At least that's what I think anyways, I don't think it's right to attack people or deny them rights just because of a lifestyle. Some people use the argument about not being able to reproduce, but what does that have to do with morality anyway? >.< What about people who are sick and can't have children, what about people who don't get married or choose not to have sex? Are they not as good as other humans too?

[vampira]

There was this special on the BBC at one point called 'The Making of Me' with John Barrowman, a well known actor. Basically he wanted to figure out if his being gay was because of the environment or if it was already in his head. After some tests if was theorized that it all comes down to the development in the womb and it the fact that he was (I think) the third son of his family, also contributed to his homosexuality (if you want to see the episode, it's on youtube).

That, is totally understandable and he had no control over it. Also I agree with the fact that being gay is not because of the way you were brought up or anything like that, you're already programmed when your born whether or not you will be gay, straight, bisexual, or asexual.

[aznriku]

how did this post last from 2007 up to March 2010? lol.

[Nuru]

how did this post last from 2007 up to March 2010? lol.

Homosexuality is still serious business. ^_^

I am also going to assume that this also applies to Bisexuality as well. So I'd just like to say that this is somewhat relevant to things going on in my own life, thus, I am glad this topic still exists.

[vampira]

Yeah I think that this is a very good topic to discuss because we're all (I'd like to think) talking about a serious subject without yelling and saying that it's just plain evil and against the laws of nature...as said, it's still a serious subject that's still debated heavily, and it also gives a chance for the new members to give their ideas without fear of being yelled at you know?

[aznriku]

Hey! Speaking of homosexuality, does anyone know if GAY/LESBIAN marriages are legal in Cali? I have a friend there and apparently they said it isn't! I'm so confuuuused o.o

[vampira]

If I understand correctly, it was legal and then it wasn't...yeah, I don't get it either. But now people are wondering if the marraiges that were performed while it was legal is still an actual marraige

[Nuru]

Marriages that have been done here in California even before it was made illegal are still in effect. Same thing as moving to a certain state to get married and moving back. Once you are married, you are married until divorce or til death is due.

[aznriku]

Uh huh....ok...well, I don't think my question was answered yet xD

[Nuru]

No they are not legal. lol ;^;